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Caniswalensis

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PostSubject: The Skeptic That Saw A Ghost(s), Pack a lunch for this one!   The Skeptic That Saw A Ghost(s), Pack a lunch for this one! Icon_minitimeMon Aug 03, 2009 9:30 pm

Hi All, This is not the first place I have posted this, But I thought you guys might find it interesting/bearable. Smile

Well, here is my confession: I, a curmudgeonly yet well-loved skeptic, once saw a ghost with my own eyes! Actually, it was a group of 5-6 full body apparitions! I was initially sure that I had a real paranormal experience, even though I had been a skeptic for several years at the time of my experience.

I have been considering posting about this for awhile now anyway. So get ready for an excruciatingly long post about my fascinating personal life, you lucky people!

Where to start is the problem. I suppose I should begin with the factual details of the day as I recall them.

It was about nine years ago. I was in central Illinois, USA, attending an event held by the SCA. The SCA is a medieval history organization that you can read about here:
http://www.sca.org/

The event was held in a state run campground that was simply beautiful. It had lots of wooded trails and rocky bluffs. In fact, it really stands out in my mind because they had these great three-sided cabins that were set very high into the sides of these bluffs. They had long winding wooden staircases that led up to them. I am talking like 75 to 100 stairs up! It was a really cool place.

It was early September, a little warm for that time of year, and the weather was partly cloudy with intermittent sprinkles of rain and misting from the late afternoon on into the night.

We had a full day of martial arts & other activities, including a medieval feast in the late evening. After the meal, I and some other people started out for the campsite of a group that was hosting a large party. I will state for the record here that I had yet to consume any alcohol at this point in the evening. :- )

We were walking along a wooded path that was sparsely lit by tiki torches. It was full on night by this time. It was humid from the rain and unseasonable warm; almost misty, but not quite. All the tiki torches had a halo around them from the moisture in the air.

Our group came to a clearing of sorts. It was a convergence of several paths like the one we were on, and it was lit fairly well by about a half dozen of the tiki torches. As we entered this area, I became aware of a small group of people standing to one side of the clearing. I was not looking directly at them, but had a strong image of them and complete surety that there were five or six regular folk standing there. I then glanced over and waved at them, noticing nothing amiss. It was at that time I was obliged to look back down to pick my way more carefully between some muddy patches. A few more steps and I looked back up at them, with the intention of asking them if they were going to the party.

Here is where it gets interesting. I was confused to find that their appearance had changed drastically. I could still see them, but they seemed distorted and almost transparent or faded. The harder that I tried to seem them, the less I actually could see them. I remember fixing on the spot where one of the male’s faces should have been, there was no longer a face to be seen there. I switched my gaze to the sleeve of another figure’s tunic, but again, nothing but the background of trees, lit by the flickering light of the torches. This pattern continued and the effect was very much as though I was taking the figures apart with my eyes. They continued to fade and disappear as my eyes darted about looking for something of what I had seen before. My feelings were of confusion, and frustration, and yes, a little bit of panic. Although, not a fearful kind of panic, but more like the kind of panic you feel when you start to drop something, and begin batting it around, trying to get a grip on it. That really is an apt description. It was as though I was desperately trying to catch a grip on the figures as they slipped from my field of vision. Soon, I had lost the overall impression that there were any figures there at all. I was left standing and staring at an ordinary patch of ground, backed by ordinary trees and undergrowth. I was dumbfounded. There had been people there, real and solid looking, only moments before. The whole episode took much less time then it does to read this. Probably about 4 to 5 seconds.

I then looked to my companions. They had stopped a little ahead of me to discuss the correct path to the party. It was clear they had not experienced what I just had. My mind was racing and I actually felt a little dizzy from the overwhelming implications of it all. I approached one of them, a fellow that I had only just met as we were setting out to the party. He was a friend of a friend. I asked him if he had just seen some people standing to the side of the clearing. He replied “Oh, don’t mind them, they’re just dead.” That struck me rather funny, because he was so casual about it. I am not able to say for sure if this thought had occurred to me yet. I know that I was shocked by what I had seen, but I can not honestly say when the thought of ghosts came into my mind. I think that I may have had that in the back of my mind, but this exchange definitely put it right there on the table for me. I was so confused and bewildered that I do not think that it even seemed odd to me that this guy was telling me I had seen some dead people.

I continued to ponder what I had seen on into the night. I was in a mental turmoil the whole time, and found myself barely able to enjoy the party at all.

I realized that the landscape had just changed. I had just had a personal experience. In fact, I had achieved the gold standard of personal experiences. I had seen a group of head-to-toe full body apparitions! Was there any way it could have been better? Oh yeah, someone else had seen it too! People wait their whole lives for something like that to happen and still don’t get to see it. I was, to be honest, elated! I felt as though everything that I had always wanted to believe in was true!

After a couple hours of walking around on cloud nine, I began to think about things a little harder. I suppose that I had a nagging doubt about a couple things. Something was bothering me. Call it my skeptical thinking holding me back, but I wanted to be as sure as I possibly could about things.

I knew that I saw something, but what did I really see? Could it have been an illusion? Unless I was willing to say that I was not susceptible to the same things that every other human on the planet is, I had to at least acknowledge the possibility that I was mistaken. That somehow, my mind, and senses had conspired with circumstances to trick me. I accepted the unpleasant truth of that, with all its implications, but set out to prove that my experience was real; as real as it had felt to me.

I started with my fellow witness. I had seen him doing tarot readings earlier, and this gave me the idea that he might know a thing or two about the paranormal. I went and made his acquaintance and got him to do a reading on me. To be honest, I don’t remember much about it, except that it did not have anything to do with the topic that was burning a hole in my skull. After that I was able to ask him a couple things while he took a break. He reaffirmed that he had seen the figure in the clearing, and that they were ghosts. He answered a few other questions about them, and to my great sadness, described them much differently than the figures I had seen. Different clothes, different number of people, different everything practically. It was clear that we had not shared an objective experience. As the night wore on, I observed this fellow continue to entertain with readings, and unimpressive displays of “weather control.” Much of what he said was clearly designed to impress, and I felt like perhaps his casual reply to me on the path was of the same nature. I gave up on using him to validate my experience.

Of course, just because he might be a humbug, that does not mean I did not have a genuine paranormal experience; far from it, in fact. I wrestled with what I had seen for much of the night. Long after the camp was asleep, I walked those lonely wooded paths with only the moonlight to see by. The torches had all burnt out. I spoke out loud and I spoke with my mind, imploring the figures to return and confirm there existence to me. The ghosts had all gone home. I was alone with the imponderable, the unsolvable. I could not objectively prove I had or had not seen a ghost. I followed the example of the ghosts, and went off to bed.

In the clear light of morning I once more mulled over what little evidence I had as I packed.

In the plus column, I had the evidence of my own senses, but little else. Still, I had never been diagnosed with any mental disorders, I am a little nearsighted, but my glasses correct to better than 20/20, and I was not prone to hallucinations. Why shouldn’t I believe what I see?

On the minus side, I knew even then, that people’s eyes do play tricks on them, although this was such an elaborate trick, that it seemed hard to believe. But, I had to acknowledge that vision & memory can be very subjective things. If I see a car speeding at me, there is no reason to doubt it. Cars are very real and can be observed on any city street at any time of the day. Unlike ghosts or disappearing people, which can not be observed at will. It seems more risky to trust your senses when dealing with the extraordinary.

Finally, I admitted that I probably would never know for sure one way or the other. I would just have to make a subjective judgment about what I would believe.

Being somewhat less studied then I am now, I was more willing to accept my subjective experience as real, as long as there was no strong evidence against it. I resolved that I had experienced a real paranormal event, maybe just because I wanted to believe that. It was the more attractive of the two choices. Others could scoff, but I had seen 5 or 6 people slowly vanish in front of my eyes. I had seen that happen! It seemed more likely to be real than illusion to me, so why not believe it? I had chose a course, and the matter was settled.

A little off topic - Have you ever had this happen to you: You are trying to remember something, like a person’s name, and you just can’t recall it. Then, as soon as you give up and start thinking about something else, BAM! It comes to you?

That is what happened to me on the drive home from that event. I was becoming increasingly comfortable with my reclaimed status as a believer, and was mulling over various things like: how cool it was to have seen some ghosts, what my friends might say about it, what other paranormal stuff might be true, did I miss my turn!?, how much fun the event had been, where should I stop to eat…….BAM! It came to me; one small detail that tipped the scales in a big way. A detail that made it so overwhelmingly unlikely that what I had seen was real; I had no choice but to accept that I had experienced some kind of perceptual illusion. I was stunned and saddened. It was like a punch in the gut. I had not really seen a group of full body apparitions. I had not seen anything, except the trees and the dark and the torchlight. I had stood on that dark path and begged out loud for something that was not real to show itself to me. I’m still a little embarrassed about that. At least it confirms my status as an open-minded skeptic.

I suppose that it was the dark, and the misty night, and the flickering torchlight that fooled me. A branch here, a dark space there, some condensation on my glasses, and some expectation in my mind of what I should be seeing. All these things combined to create a vivid illusion, but one that could not stand up to direct scrutiny. Any more than a quick glance and it was shattered like glass.

Looking back, I marvel at what a near miss I had. Were it not for that one detail, I would have really believed this was paranormal. I would have believed in something false. I would have believed it because I had seen it, experienced it, wanted to believe it. I am sure that the longer I had held that belief, the harder it would have been to give up. I may have been making this post from a different perspective today, if I had not remembered that small detail.

What was that detail? Maybe you know it already. It’s contained in this account, plain as day for any to read. For all I know, it is pitifully obvious to you all, in the cold light of the internet. At the time, I almost missed it, though. I guess that I was just too close.

Here is the detail: However the illusion was formed, I know it was an illusion rather than a group of paranormal apparitions, because they were wearing medieval clothing.

Amazingly, the significance of that did not dawn on me until the trip home. I mentioned seeing the tunic, and my impression was that every member of the group was decked out in various tunics, cotehardies, cloaks & boots. These garments have a significantly different appearance than modern clothes, or even clothing that you would see in the U.S. for the last couple hundred years. Being a general all around history buff, I am pretty familiar with our nation’s history, and the sort of clothing people wore. There is not much there that looks like medieval clothing. I am sure that I was not mistaken about the period.

Why would a group of ghosts in an Illinois campground be wearing medieval clothing? They simply would not be. It makes no sense at all. Any scenario that can be imagined to explain this would almost certainly be more convoluted then could be accepted. The answer must be that I saw an illusion that was processed and interpreted by my brain. Whether it was caused by the mist, an after-image, the dark, the trees, or real people that somehow left quickly, it is clear that when I looked at them, I was seeing what I expected to see.

So there is the answer. Well, my answer, at least. The story of how someone can see a amazing group of apparitions and still come out of it not believing it was paranormal. Some of you may disagree with my conclusion, and that is fine. I do not begrudge you your opinions. Whatever you think of my experience, I hope that you enjoy reading about it.

As always, this post is all about my experience, and not the experiences of others. It is not intended to be a commentary on believers in general. I don’t begrudge anyone their beliefs, and I don’t wish to question their experiences.

Thanks for reading, Mike
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Richard

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PostSubject: Re: The Skeptic That Saw A Ghost(s), Pack a lunch for this one!   The Skeptic That Saw A Ghost(s), Pack a lunch for this one! Icon_minitimeTue Aug 04, 2009 12:54 pm

Well first off, Have you ever considered writing...lol...
One things I seem to notice through out reading your "Personal Experience" is that you have really put a lot of thought into it. I enjoyed reading your story and the way you finally where able to come to a conclusion that suited you. As we all know in the Paranormal feild, Finding the answer to Personal Experiences can and is one of the hardest things to do (other than have the ghost step up and just say "Hi").
99% of the time all we have to go on are these Personal Experiences. We pull what information we can from them and set out, not to disprove nor prove any theory, but to see what we can find through Video , Audio, and via Personal Experiences of our own.
If something reaches out and grabs you in the dark and you can't see anyone and you know no one else is there with you, can you call that Paranormal? The simplest answer is generally the right one and the answer is a resounding NO. It is simply a personal experience. When you go to someone and try to explain what happened to you without "PROOF" they can only choose to believe or not.
We can only go over an experience in our minds and try to wiegh all the variables and come to an educated guess to what happened.
We really have to watch our Human mind,for It can,and will play many tricks on us especialy poking around in the dark. Between tring to see what is front of you to trip on and plain old "Matrixing", The mind can find millions of Images to fill the dark places with. That is why we Recommend that you trust your own instincts, but also, always be your worst critic. Always question what you just saw and then scrutinize the hell out of it. In the end it all comes down to what you "Believe" happened. If you constantly tell yourself "nothing happened" then that is what the mind will perceive. the mind can only go on what it is fed either way. However, if we always question and search for the answers to our personal experiences through an open mind then, and only then, can we come to a conclusion that not only suites us, but one we can be confident in.
So I give you Kudos on doing just that. Through scrutinizing your own minds eye and using our greatest tool "common sense" you found your answer.
Thank you for posting it has truly been a pleasure.


Richard
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Caniswalensis

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PostSubject: Re: The Skeptic That Saw A Ghost(s), Pack a lunch for this one!   The Skeptic That Saw A Ghost(s), Pack a lunch for this one! Icon_minitimeWed Aug 05, 2009 3:09 pm

Hi Richard,

Thank you for the kind words and insightful comments on my post. I am very glad that you enjoyed it!

Regards, Mike
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PostSubject: Re: The Skeptic That Saw A Ghost(s), Pack a lunch for this one!   The Skeptic That Saw A Ghost(s), Pack a lunch for this one! Icon_minitimeMon Aug 24, 2009 9:42 pm

WOW
That was a great story. also want to add that Richard hisself ought to think about being a writer lol. I really enjoyed the story and sorry that I havent been able to get on here that much. Mike I totally agree with what Richards says. I am not going to repeat allot of stuff that was already said but You can only believe what you want to believe. You put allot of thought into the situation you had and you come out with the answer that you believe to be the best logical answer after studying the situation all night and half the next day. Iwant to thank you for letting us enjoy this story and I am sure you will be getting alot more feed back as more people read this. Excellent

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Thanks for the nice comments Dewayne.

I am glad that you enjoyed my post. Looking forward to meeting some of you guys soon.

Regards, Mike
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